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		<title>By: Mercury</title>
		<link>http://www.getharvest.com/blog/2009/11/where-are-all-the-female-web-designers/comment-page-1/#comment-688</link>
		<dc:creator>Mercury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I started in interaction design for the studios in Hollywood in 1997. By the time I started designing UI for Web-based applications in around &#039;99, there were very few designers, male or female, in that field. When I joined an IBM team as a contract UI designer in &#039;99-2000, I was the only woman, and the team had to stop having their staff meetings at a strip club (&amp; were none too happy about it.) I worked as a consultant designer in NYC &amp; London in 2001 &amp; for sure noticed I worked mostly with men. But I did find, when moving to Silicon Valley, that there are more women in the UI field. We are not &quot;Web designers&quot; per se but there are many female interaction, UI, &amp; UX designers in software today.  

I&#039;m sure that having a male-sounding name has probably helped get my foot in some doors initially, but in the end, you have to prove your worth like everyone else. And I think women designers in software are doing just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started in interaction design for the studios in Hollywood in 1997. By the time I started designing UI for Web-based applications in around &#8216;99, there were very few designers, male or female, in that field. When I joined an IBM team as a contract UI designer in &#8216;99-2000, I was the only woman, and the team had to stop having their staff meetings at a strip club (&amp; were none too happy about it.) I worked as a consultant designer in NYC &amp; London in 2001 &amp; for sure noticed I worked mostly with men. But I did find, when moving to Silicon Valley, that there are more women in the UI field. We are not &#8220;Web designers&#8221; per se but there are many female interaction, UI, &amp; UX designers in software today.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that having a male-sounding name has probably helped get my foot in some doors initially, but in the end, you have to prove your worth like everyone else. And I think women designers in software are doing just that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Gunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are interested in being proactive about recruiting women, one way to do so would be to seek them out.  For example, the Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology has a LinkedIn group (just search groups for &#039;Anita Borg&#039;) that has a job board.  (They also have a facebook page but I don&#039;t use it and don&#039;t know if it has a jobs feature.)

Any interested woman or man can joined the LinkedIn group and post jobs there.  

The ABI also holds an annual conference, well attended by many undergraduate and graduate Computer Science students, where many companies recruit.  ABI does seem to attract relatively hardcore CS types as opposed to designers or software-business types, but it IS a community of technical women that you could try networking through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are interested in being proactive about recruiting women, one way to do so would be to seek them out.  For example, the Anita Borg Institute for Women and Technology has a LinkedIn group (just search groups for &#8216;Anita Borg&#8217;) that has a job board.  (They also have a facebook page but I don&#8217;t use it and don&#8217;t know if it has a jobs feature.)</p>
<p>Any interested woman or man can joined the LinkedIn group and post jobs there.  </p>
<p>The ABI also holds an annual conference, well attended by many undergraduate and graduate Computer Science students, where many companies recruit.  ABI does seem to attract relatively hardcore CS types as opposed to designers or software-business types, but it IS a community of technical women that you could try networking through.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our company has also been going through the recruitment process, and I do have to say that there has been a good mix of both women and men - almost 50/50. And, out of all these candidates, only two stuck out to me the most and they were both women.

As a woman in web design, I have always been the minority, working with developers, company owners and designers who were all men. Someone mentioned earlier that women feel like they have to &quot;ask permission&quot; before starting something, or contributing something new. I have never felt like that, rather I find myself competing even harder against the males I work with. I always design with clear reasoning behind something I created, and always stood up for my work.

Having been in the whole recruitment process for several weeks now, my question isn&#039;t where all the girls are, its &quot;where are all the talented, non-template purchasing, skilled web designers as a whole?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our company has also been going through the recruitment process, and I do have to say that there has been a good mix of both women and men &#8211; almost 50/50. And, out of all these candidates, only two stuck out to me the most and they were both women.</p>
<p>As a woman in web design, I have always been the minority, working with developers, company owners and designers who were all men. Someone mentioned earlier that women feel like they have to &#8220;ask permission&#8221; before starting something, or contributing something new. I have never felt like that, rather I find myself competing even harder against the males I work with. I always design with clear reasoning behind something I created, and always stood up for my work.</p>
<p>Having been in the whole recruitment process for several weeks now, my question isn&#8217;t where all the girls are, its &#8220;where are all the talented, non-template purchasing, skilled web designers as a whole?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: claire millapede</title>
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		<dc:creator>claire millapede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m a web [and print] designing woman!

i&#039;m only 30 but i must say it&#039;s been tough for me to juggle my own business and fit 2 kids in there at the same time before my body clock ticked away...!

i can see how it all gets way too hard for some women to pull away from their demanding, heady web work, then have kids and then try and get back into such a fast paced industry where technology changes so much, all after having a dose of baby brain!

for me, i found the css revolution took over while i had my first baby, so getting back into work meant some re-training and a lot of brushing up on old skills.... 

in any case, thanks to a very supportive family, it&#039;s now getting a bit easier to balance work, kids and play!

but i do wonder myself sometimes where all the rest of the girls are?!?!

claire
freo, western australia
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m a web [and print] designing woman!</p>
<p>i&#8217;m only 30 but i must say it&#8217;s been tough for me to juggle my own business and fit 2 kids in there at the same time before my body clock ticked away&#8230;!</p>
<p>i can see how it all gets way too hard for some women to pull away from their demanding, heady web work, then have kids and then try and get back into such a fast paced industry where technology changes so much, all after having a dose of baby brain!</p>
<p>for me, i found the css revolution took over while i had my first baby, so getting back into work meant some re-training and a lot of brushing up on old skills&#8230;. </p>
<p>in any case, thanks to a very supportive family, it&#8217;s now getting a bit easier to balance work, kids and play!</p>
<p>but i do wonder myself sometimes where all the rest of the girls are?!?!</p>
<p>claire<br />
freo, western australia<br />
 <img src='http://www.getharvest.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Meryl 
I definitely see the lack of women in this field, but please don&#039;t blame unfoundedly.

I also graduated from SCAD. I was one of the first people to graduate with an Interactive Design and Game Development degree, and I&#039;m a girl. 

Almost all of the professors in that department were women. Including the head of the department. I&#039;ve since run into a few them in the field as well (one is working at Smart Design, another running her own design firm, and others frequent conferences etc.). Game design was not about warcraft, it was about the theories of engagement and play. If you&#039;d like, I&#039;d be glad to chat more about the program at SCAD, and about web design.

-Leslie Chicoine (experience designer -previously of getsatisfaction.com and now at adaptivepath.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Meryl<br />
I definitely see the lack of women in this field, but please don&#8217;t blame unfoundedly.</p>
<p>I also graduated from SCAD. I was one of the first people to graduate with an Interactive Design and Game Development degree, and I&#8217;m a girl. </p>
<p>Almost all of the professors in that department were women. Including the head of the department. I&#8217;ve since run into a few them in the field as well (one is working at Smart Design, another running her own design firm, and others frequent conferences etc.). Game design was not about warcraft, it was about the theories of engagement and play. If you&#8217;d like, I&#8217;d be glad to chat more about the program at SCAD, and about web design.</p>
<p>-Leslie Chicoine (experience designer -previously of getsatisfaction.com and now at adaptivepath.com)</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Saunders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara Saunders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny how these discussions tend to take for granted that if women avoid a field, it is the women who &quot;can&#039;t cut&quot; the long hours, aggressive environment, or what have you. If (and that&#039;s a big if) that&#039;s true, I don&#039;t know if I think that&#039;s bad. Maybe it isn&#039;t that women &quot;can&#039;t cut it&quot; but that men are more willing to put up with c*** that they shouldn&#039;t!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny how these discussions tend to take for granted that if women avoid a field, it is the women who &#8220;can&#8217;t cut&#8221; the long hours, aggressive environment, or what have you. If (and that&#8217;s a big if) that&#8217;s true, I don&#8217;t know if I think that&#8217;s bad. Maybe it isn&#8217;t that women &#8220;can&#8217;t cut it&#8221; but that men are more willing to put up with c*** that they shouldn&#8217;t!</p>
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		<title>By: Shere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking about this very subject the other day while driving. The icy street seemed treacherous to me, yet my spouse remarked, &quot;Have you ever just slammed on the brakes just to see how far your car would skid on a road like this?&quot; 

I had to admit, I&#039;ve never done that. But then I realized that every men I&#039;ve ever known could not resist this kind of boundary pushing.

And also, none of the women I&#039;ve ever known has done such a thing in my presence.

I think this demonstrates a fundamental difference between female and male wiring. Men can&#039;t resist pushing the limits, while women are mostly content knowing they are safe within reasonable conditions. Perhaps this comes from anatomical differences, perhaps hormonal.

At any rate, I agree with Laura that we need diversity of thought to develop the internet&#039;s greatest potential.

I think of the internet as a mass projection of the &quot;mind of mankind&quot; which is both masculine and feminine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about this very subject the other day while driving. The icy street seemed treacherous to me, yet my spouse remarked, &#8220;Have you ever just slammed on the brakes just to see how far your car would skid on a road like this?&#8221; </p>
<p>I had to admit, I&#8217;ve never done that. But then I realized that every men I&#8217;ve ever known could not resist this kind of boundary pushing.</p>
<p>And also, none of the women I&#8217;ve ever known has done such a thing in my presence.</p>
<p>I think this demonstrates a fundamental difference between female and male wiring. Men can&#8217;t resist pushing the limits, while women are mostly content knowing they are safe within reasonable conditions. Perhaps this comes from anatomical differences, perhaps hormonal.</p>
<p>At any rate, I agree with Laura that we need diversity of thought to develop the internet&#8217;s greatest potential.</p>
<p>I think of the internet as a mass projection of the &#8220;mind of mankind&#8221; which is both masculine and feminine.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meryl - I agree - the route makes no sense. Do you need a degree? Do you not need one? I think the Internet just hit us all by surprise, and people scrambled to enhance it and make a living from it. Some people came from Print, others from Programming, and yet others from nowhere (like me who took two courses at Noble Desktop in NYC - great place - www.nobledesktop.com). Sometimes, the best support systems are on the web itself - forums, how-to videos on YouTube, tutorials on blogs, etc. And yes, we are competing with those genius college kids who create online software in their dorm rooms. I wish the whole system made more sense - and that there was a clear path, as in most professions. Also, there are so many different technologies out there that clients can&#039;t even price-shop among designers. So estimates become a total free-for-all, with no price structure or accepted industry range. So many unknowns, we women may prefer to stick to more organized fields that can guarantee a path and an income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meryl &#8211; I agree &#8211; the route makes no sense. Do you need a degree? Do you not need one? I think the Internet just hit us all by surprise, and people scrambled to enhance it and make a living from it. Some people came from Print, others from Programming, and yet others from nowhere (like me who took two courses at Noble Desktop in NYC &#8211; great place &#8211; <a href="http://www.nobledesktop.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nobledesktop.com</a>). Sometimes, the best support systems are on the web itself &#8211; forums, how-to videos on YouTube, tutorials on blogs, etc. And yes, we are competing with those genius college kids who create online software in their dorm rooms. I wish the whole system made more sense &#8211; and that there was a clear path, as in most professions. Also, there are so many different technologies out there that clients can&#8217;t even price-shop among designers. So estimates become a total free-for-all, with no price structure or accepted industry range. So many unknowns, we women may prefer to stick to more organized fields that can guarantee a path and an income.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The web/programming world can be very unfriendly to women.  Other avenues, print, sales, project management can be more welcoming.  

In college, I had men refuse to give me the homework assignment unless i would date them.  I had a professor tell me to &quot;act pretty&quot; to get good grades, another professor would not answer my questions (so pointedly it bothered even the guys).  In the corporate world, resources weren&#039;t made available to me, a supervisor checked my solutions with a much less experienced men (who wondered why half the time).

So, with much tenacity i kept going and, like other posters, own my own successgul business.  

If you want more women, and it is nice to see that you do, consider supporting internships, mentoring and other options to provide an encouraging place for young women to learn.

The insidiousness of industry misogyny can sap your spirit.  

And, due to the sleight of hand methods (forgetting to invite you to meetings, jokes at your expense in front of people in authority) many men refuse to see/believe that women are discriminated against at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The web/programming world can be very unfriendly to women.  Other avenues, print, sales, project management can be more welcoming.  </p>
<p>In college, I had men refuse to give me the homework assignment unless i would date them.  I had a professor tell me to &#8220;act pretty&#8221; to get good grades, another professor would not answer my questions (so pointedly it bothered even the guys).  In the corporate world, resources weren&#8217;t made available to me, a supervisor checked my solutions with a much less experienced men (who wondered why half the time).</p>
<p>So, with much tenacity i kept going and, like other posters, own my own successgul business.  </p>
<p>If you want more women, and it is nice to see that you do, consider supporting internships, mentoring and other options to provide an encouraging place for young women to learn.</p>
<p>The insidiousness of industry misogyny can sap your spirit.  </p>
<p>And, due to the sleight of hand methods (forgetting to invite you to meetings, jokes at your expense in front of people in authority) many men refuse to see/believe that women are discriminated against at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Meryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit confusion about the path to getting into web design might be an factor. 

I studied Graphic Design at the Savannah College of Art &amp; Design, which included only one cursory course on the web and one on Flash. There was a major titled &quot;Interactive Design &amp; Game Development&quot; that might have been more applicable, but the Game Development meant that department was populated with sweaty boys who played Warcraft and thought it was homework. (Not to mention that the part of the title that includes Game Development interested me nil.)

Web Design is so multi-faceted, involving Development, Design, &amp; Programmming, that I still don&#039;t know what course of study or background prepares you for it. 

I also admit that these profusion of starting points make it hard for someone like me to get started in learning more about web design. Should I be thinking like a print designer? is it a problem I only know HTML/CSS? What is PHP? What do I REALLY need to know how to do? The awnsers aren&#039;t always clear to me, and learning by myself in a bubble, without a mentor, is truly difficult. 

Is it a failing in the education system that web design is lumped in &quot;Computer Arts&quot; or &quot;Interactive Design&quot; in a way that makes it unappealing to women? Or is it that young women don&#039;t understand what web design truly means?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit confusion about the path to getting into web design might be an factor. </p>
<p>I studied Graphic Design at the Savannah College of Art &amp; Design, which included only one cursory course on the web and one on Flash. There was a major titled &#8220;Interactive Design &amp; Game Development&#8221; that might have been more applicable, but the Game Development meant that department was populated with sweaty boys who played Warcraft and thought it was homework. (Not to mention that the part of the title that includes Game Development interested me nil.)</p>
<p>Web Design is so multi-faceted, involving Development, Design, &amp; Programmming, that I still don&#8217;t know what course of study or background prepares you for it. </p>
<p>I also admit that these profusion of starting points make it hard for someone like me to get started in learning more about web design. Should I be thinking like a print designer? is it a problem I only know HTML/CSS? What is PHP? What do I REALLY need to know how to do? The awnsers aren&#8217;t always clear to me, and learning by myself in a bubble, without a mentor, is truly difficult. </p>
<p>Is it a failing in the education system that web design is lumped in &#8220;Computer Arts&#8221; or &#8220;Interactive Design&#8221; in a way that makes it unappealing to women? Or is it that young women don&#8217;t understand what web design truly means?</p>
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